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Throughout history, freethinkers have outraged the religious with their wacky ideas about the virtues of free speech, reason, and, of course, eating babies. Now, God is dying—and it's time to dispose of his remains. From the pits of Hell, Satan sends two puppets of the imperialist West and the Zionist Jews against God, Islam, and tiny kittens to bring you their propaganda and conspire for a new world order. This is Secular Jihadists for a Muslim Enlightenment—with Ali Rizvi and Armin Navabi.

Jan 22, 2019

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In this episode, we speak to Graeme Wood, author of the award-winning book, The Way of The Strangers: Encounters with the Islamic State. Graeme is a contributing editor to The Atlantic and wrote one of the magazine's most widely read and brilliant pieces of all time, What ISIS Really Wants. How did ISIS begin and what drives it? Is ISIS really Islamic? And will ISIS ever be “defeated”? We also talk about Graeme’s take on white supremacist Richard Spencer, his former high school classmate. Check it out.

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What ISIS Really Wants: 

Graeme’s book, The Way of the Strangers: 

Graeme’s article, His Kampf, about Richard Spencer: 

Graeme’s article about John Georgelas, the highest ranking American member of ISIS: 

Our interview with Tania Joya, ex-wife of a senior ISIS official: